Question on TLUPosted by Jim Szczodrowski on July 13, 2021 at 7:54 am
My RD has been away and not available for questions – can someone on CSB Staff please supply an explanation that if Trail Life scores so low on this graphic (downloaded today from the CSB webiste) – how are they a viable organization to take ovre CSB Units?
MemberJuly 18, 2021 at 11:35 pm
MemberAugust 26, 2021 at 1:04 pm
to be honest Jim- they arent meant to “replace” CSB. TL is meant to supplement CSB, just as CSB is supplementing TL in its areas of weakness. Though this graphic sure looks like we bring much more to the table, there are going to be ways Trail Life will out do CSB, and I personally am looking forward to a broader scope of influence for the advance of the gospel.
To be honest, I dont think this graphic does much except sow discord among our leaders. Does that sound like a good thing to you? I have only been with CSB as a leader for 6 years, but leadership starts from the bottom. If you would like, I can show you a project I am bringing to the table as we go forward and contribute as leaders.
MemberAugust 27, 2021 at 1:55 pm
Respectfully, you are wrong.
The plan was announced and that I clarified and since then no announcement of any change – the weekly CSB groups will be “sunsetted” and I was told this means they will go away and no longer exist. The original plan was this would happen after a year or two. CSB units wil be expected to become Trail Life. CSB is not complimenting TLU, as of right now it is being taken over by Trail Life.
MemberAugust 27, 2021 at 12:39 am
I haven’t seen a CSB unit indicate being taken over by Trail Life is a good thing. CSB leadership told us it was great and thought we would believe it. Found out I wasn’t the only one who was frustrated and confused.
MemberAugust 30, 2021 at 11:48 am
Technically sure, you are correct. Are you afraid of losing your influence? Are you afraid that this merge will cause us to become less Christ-like individuals? The vibe I am getting is one that is rooted in your identity of CSB, not your identity as a Son of God. I know it’s hard, believe me. I don’t agree with this decision from a local level either.
Have we taken two or more years to pray about this merger? have we been the ones that have seen and tracked the finances and loss of groups as that has happened? I certainly haven’t kept track. Scripture says to respect your elders and the leadership over us, and to be honest, I don’t see a lot of respect and grace being given out by any of us. So I am making a choice to do what God has called me to do, regardless of the “flag” that is flown. If you feel called to leave, then leave, don’t be salty about it. If you want to stay, then DEAL WITH IT. This is happening. there is NOTHING stopping you from contacting TL leadership and trust me, I plan on doing that, and voicing your concerns.
My brigade unit has not been connected nationally since its inception. My regional director just learned my name after me being a leader for 5 years. Can I be salty about it? Sure, but THAT WON’T GET ME ANYWHERE. Embrace the struggle brother, and it will help you grow
MemberAugust 31, 2021 at 11:24 am
>>>Are you afraid of losing your influence? Are you afraid that this merge will cause us to become …
1. We as local leaders have no influence to lose?!?!?
>>> The vibe I am getting is one that is rooted in your identity of CSB, not >>>your identity as a Son of God.
That’s a rather bizarre comment. Anyone from CSB that knows me knows my identity is certainly not tied into CSB since should CSB fold today the ministry my church has to boys and young men would not miss a beat and the boys would not even notice other than for regional activities.
>>>Have we taken two or more years to pray about this merger?
Do you realize when notified of this initially there was not 2 years before this was going to take place, it was going to happen near immediately.
>>>have we been the ones that have seen and tracked the finances and loss of groups as that has >>>happened? I certainly haven’t kept track.
The decision was not based on finances we were told as CSB has come off a prety good year financially.
>>>This is happening. there is NOTHING stopping you from contacting TL leadership and trust me, I >>>plan on doing that, and voicing your concerns.
Wrong. TLU leadership does not interact with local groups. That is left to volunteers who have had 0 knowledge on what is taking place and 0 knowledge on how to assist a CSB unit in making the transition. The volunteers interacting with CSB Local Leaders at their Summit did not have any knowledge of CSB or how it works.
>>>My brigade unit has not been connected nationally since its inception.
>>>My regional director just learned my name after me being a leader for 5 years.
How connected are you to your region?
If you are supportive of the situation or want to pursue TLU, great! I would never consider trying to change someones mind as each CSB Unit/church has to decide what is right for their ministry. Anyone that is aware of current ministry practices knows that is a church loses their gender specific boys ministry odds are they will start a co-ed ministry. In that situation, boys lose. As I said the ministry from my church is on solid ground and that will continue whether CSB is here or not. I’m involved in this dicussion to make sure those not standing on as solid a ground can continue their ministry to their boys and young men.
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